Barnet tickets

[Les Briley]

At least it’s in own hands. Just need avoid defeat against Yeovil!

Not that straightforward on a pitch that looks like it's had a herd of Cows on it.

[Wanderer]

If D&G fail to win both of their remaining games (home to Altrincham, away to Solihull) then we are safe.

Surely either not both.

[chimpster99]

We need as many supporters as possible cheering the team on Saturday
We are still in a Relegation battle
If Dagenham and Wealdstone results go against us on Saturday we could be facing Armageddon after the Yeovil match
Worst case scenario if we loose to Barnet & Yeovil could looks like:
Aldershot 54 (-7), Dagenham 54 (-4), Wealdstone 56, Boston 58/55, Braintree 59/56
Further to EV of Supporters Club email to Chairman stating concerns, maybe the ‘Club’ should urgently officially go to ‘Press’ in relation to our NL rules ‘minimum’ entitlement and advising of any steps they are taking to increase our abysmal 255? Allocation
For my part I have taken the regrettable route/ step to purchase a ‘home’ ticket
We need to get Supporters there in numbers on Saturday and be the 12th man 2 get us over the line

The allocation was revised down from 255 to 160 when they moved us to the other stand, with 'safety' being used as an excuse. They can't use the line of the tickets not selling either, basically they just cut us off when 160 were sold and with days to go. At the very least its high disrespectful behaviour from Barnet, especially playing a fake safety card.

Rules or no rules, the club needs to be kicking up a stink about it at NL Board level. The game's sold out now so there's no going back, but it sets a nasty precedent.

[chimpster99]

If D&G fail to win both of their remaining games (home to Altrincham, away to Solihull) then we are safe.

Surely either not both.

No, they must win both games to put us in danger.

[brian bloomfield]

National League guidelines are 15% away allocation minimum 600 tickets. From my conversation yesterday Barnet unilaterally decided themselves to reduce the ticket allocation with no communication to any other party.

As I understand it, there are no National League guidelines for away ticket allocation: each club is free to decide for itself how many away tickets to allocate.

Where did your information come from, Brian? I could be wrong and you could be right, but I just don't know at the moment.

Give me a chance to get home, have some tea and I will furnish you with the information.

[A Shot from Wales]

National League guidelines are 15% away allocation minimum 600 tickets. From my conversation yesterday Barnet unilaterally decided themselves to reduce the ticket allocation with no communication to any other party.

As I understand it, there are no National League guidelines for away ticket allocation: each club is free to decide for itself how many away tickets to allocate.

Where did your information come from, Brian? I could be wrong and you could be right, but I just don't know at the moment.

Brian's figures are for Play Off games and not League games.

The National League membership rules (not guidelines) say exactly what Brian has quoted. Financial Records 10.2.

[Birdman]

If D&G fail to win both of their remaining games (home to Altrincham, away to Solihull) then we are safe.

Surely either not both.

No, they must win both games to put us in danger.

No, I’ll go with Wanderer’s correction. Basically if they don’t get all six points then they can’t catch us.

[lowerbourneshot]

We will get hammered saturday just hope Daggers and wealdstone lose.

But we're safe ,they're are 4 teams worse than us and other stuff that has been reeled out for weeks now . Playing weakened sides has put us in this position. Let's hope Wealdstone or D&R drop points because I can't see us picking any up .

[Weybourne Shot]

And regardless of D&R we are safe if Wealdstone lose at Southend.

[Old Bob]

National League guidelines are 15% away allocation minimum 600 tickets. From my conversation yesterday Barnet unilaterally decided themselves to reduce the ticket allocation with no communication to any other party.

As I understand it, there are no National League guidelines for away ticket allocation: each club is free to decide for itself how many away tickets to allocate.

Where did your information come from, Brian? I could be wrong and you could be right, but I just don't know at the moment.

Give me a chance to get home, have some tea and I will furnish you with the information.

Enjoy your cuppa, Brian!

[CH]

The allocation is less than we got for Sittingbourne. Poor from Barnet

[brian bloomfield]

As I understand it, there are no National League guidelines for away ticket allocation: each club is free to decide for itself how many away tickets to allocate.

Where did your information come from, Brian? I could be wrong and you could be right, but I just don't know at the moment.

Brian's figures are for Play Off games and not League games.

The National League membership rules (not guidelines) say exactly what Brian has quoted. Financial Records 10.2.

Please find the extract of Rules as per away ticketing for League Games. I'm not aware of any specific to play offs although I am happy to be pointed in the right direction. Barnet should have given us 975 by the rules stipulated below.

10. FINANCIAL RECORDS
10.1 All Clubs shall keep their accounting records for recording the fact and nature of all
receipts and payments so as to disclose with reasonable accuracy, at any time, the
financial position including the assets and liabilities of the Club.
10.2 The home Club shall retain all gate receipts. Where a match is declared all ticket the
Away Club shall be entitled to 15% of the total number of tickets available (or a minimum
of 600 at Step 3, whichever is the greater), subject to any stipulation by the relevant
safety authority affecting these figures. A reasonable allocation of the total disabled
spectator accommodation where appropriate shall be made available to disabled
supporters of the Away Club.
Clubs must ensure that all gate receipts are fully and properly recorded and accounted
for in the accounting records of the club.
Clubs should have a system in operation for home games that enables them to
accurately report on the following;
• A record of all tickets sold in advance
• A reconciliation of cash received by category of entrant through each turnstile
• The number of entrants through each turnstile
• A schedule of the numbers admitted to parts of the stadium that do not pass
through a turnstile
• A list of complimentary tickets authorised
This documentation should be reconciled to the overall takings and declared attendance
for each home game.
10.3 Sale of tickets for away supporters - Clubs are required to sell tickets for their away
matches if required to do so by the Home Club and Home Clubs are required to supply
tickets for their home matches to the Away Club for sale by the Away Club to its
supporters if so requested by the Away Club. These tickets are to be made available on a
sale or return basis and must be ordered by the Away Club at least five weeks before the
Competition match to which they relate. The Home Club must deliver those tickets to the
Away Club at the latest four weeks before the Competition match to which they relate.
Where any match is arranged at shorter notice the above steps shall be taken as soon as
is reasonably practicable. Visiting supporters should also have the same opportunity to
take advantage of pre-booking discounts that apply to home supporters.
For League matches only the Away Club shall be entitled to a commission representing
five (5) per cent of the aggregate sales (exclusive of VAT) of tickets sold on behalf of the
Home Club, unless otherwise agreed between the Clubs. The Away Club shall submit a
VAT invoice, in respect of the commission due, to the Home Club within five working days
of the match taking place.
The Away Club may charge a booking fee of transaction charge to the customer
providing this is exactly the same in every respect as that which it charges for tickets to its
own home matches.
Unless otherwise agreed between the Clubs unsold tickets must be returned, and
received by the Home Club, no later than 48 hours prior to the date of the match.
Payments for tickets sold by an Away Club must be made to the Home Club within five
working days of the date of the match taking place. Any Club making late payment shall:-
• Pay interest to the Home Club at the rate of 5 (five) per cent per annum over
Barclays Bank base rate in force from time to time calculated on a daily basis, on
the outstanding sum from the due date to the actual date of payment to the
Home Club, and
• Forfeit its entitlement to the 5 (five) per cent commission detailed above.

[chimpster99]

I think the issue here is that Tony Kleanthous is 100% confident of Barnet's promotion, which will bring in prize money and an escape from the jurisdiction of the NL. So he won't give two hoots about any sanctions brought against the club over ticketing.

[Silasgoldeen]

I think the issue here is that Tony Kleanthous is 100% confident of Barnet's promotion, which will bring in prize money and an escape from the jurisdiction of the NL. So he won't give two hoots about any sanctions brought against the club over ticketing.

3 point deduction would be amusing. I know that'd never happen any shouldn't either but it is a breech of rules.

[Old Bob]

Brian's figures are for Play Off games and not League games.

The National League membership rules (not guidelines) say exactly what Brian has quoted. Financial Records 10.2.

Please find the extract of Rules as per away ticketing for League Games. I'm not aware of any specific to play offs although I am happy to be pointed in the right direction. Barnet should have given us 975 by the rules stipulated below.

10. FINANCIAL RECORDS
10.1 All Clubs shall keep their accounting records for recording the fact and nature of all
receipts and payments so as to disclose with reasonable accuracy, at any time, the
financial position including the assets and liabilities of the Club.
10.2 The home Club shall retain all gate receipts. Where a match is declared all ticket the
Away Club shall be entitled to 15% of the total number of tickets available (or a minimum
of 600 at Step 3, whichever is the greater), subject to any stipulation by the relevant
safety authority affecting these figures. A reasonable allocation of the total disabled
spectator accommodation where appropriate shall be made available to disabled
supporters of the Away Club.
Clubs must ensure that all gate receipts are fully and properly recorded and accounted
for in the accounting records of the club.
Clubs should have a system in operation for home games that enables them to
accurately report on the following;
• A record of all tickets sold in advance
• A reconciliation of cash received by category of entrant through each turnstile
• The number of entrants through each turnstile
• A schedule of the numbers admitted to parts of the stadium that do not pass
through a turnstile
• A list of complimentary tickets authorised
This documentation should be reconciled to the overall takings and declared attendance
for each home game.
10.3 Sale of tickets for away supporters - Clubs are required to sell tickets for their away
matches if required to do so by the Home Club and Home Clubs are required to supply
tickets for their home matches to the Away Club for sale by the Away Club to its
supporters if so requested by the Away Club. These tickets are to be made available on a
sale or return basis and must be ordered by the Away Club at least five weeks before the
Competition match to which they relate. The Home Club must deliver those tickets to the
Away Club at the latest four weeks before the Competition match to which they relate.
Where any match is arranged at shorter notice the above steps shall be taken as soon as
is reasonably practicable. Visiting supporters should also have the same opportunity to
take advantage of pre-booking discounts that apply to home supporters.
For League matches only the Away Club shall be entitled to a commission representing
five (5) per cent of the aggregate sales (exclusive of VAT) of tickets sold on behalf of the
Home Club, unless otherwise agreed between the Clubs. The Away Club shall submit a
VAT invoice, in respect of the commission due, to the Home Club within five working days
of the match taking place.
The Away Club may charge a booking fee of transaction charge to the customer
providing this is exactly the same in every respect as that which it charges for tickets to its
own home matches.
Unless otherwise agreed between the Clubs unsold tickets must be returned, and
received by the Home Club, no later than 48 hours prior to the date of the match.
Payments for tickets sold by an Away Club must be made to the Home Club within five
working days of the date of the match taking place. Any Club making late payment shall:-
• Pay interest to the Home Club at the rate of 5 (five) per cent per annum over
Barclays Bank base rate in force from time to time calculated on a daily basis, on
the outstanding sum from the due date to the actual date of payment to the
Home Club, and
• Forfeit its entitlement to the 5 (five) per cent commission detailed above.

Thank you, Brian. Much appreciated. It seems well worth making an issue of the paltry allocation. In the absence of any directive from the safety authorities, it looks like a clear breach of the rules.